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Latona Interpretations/Associations 04

(continued from Latona Interpretations/Associations 03)

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bb:

Hucka D., I believe this is the most difficult turn of the Gilatona-Lis series, this transition from Wiltshire back to America and then back to Wiltshire. I think Latona 03 and Latona 04 — the diptych — coming just before this represents confusion and opposition. This is the Wheeler-Wilson paradox, where things can work equally well both forwards and backwards. One has to go back to America…

Hucka D. (correcting):

Amereca.

bb:

… Amereca, yes, to get energy, to be grounded once more. And we start in Manitoba here. This is a door for others to explore, if not necessarily here in this analysis. The backdrop is still Wiltshire — Hackpen Hill’s white horse viewed in the distance, like it is in several other Gilatona-Lis collages.

Hucka D.:

Has it? You should check.

bb:

Well, obviously it is at least implied in Gila 03, which I’ve been revising a bit lately given the end of Gilatona-Lis and the enlarged implications.

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bb:

Strange, Hucka D. I just checked and this is the only collage that contains any Wiltshire white horses in their natural setting. Gila 10 also contains a white horse, but separate from the landscape and stuck up in the air, like a cloud. And here we have 2 white horses, the Rockley one defunct as stated, and the quite nearby Hackpen Hill horse still maintained. It is also the central white horse of the very odd white horse alignments I found during the composition of the Baker Bloch in England material — at the cross between 4 white horses, including the oldest in Uffington.

Hucka D.:

We better move to the third hand in the collage, which is from the Dune movie by David Lunch.

bb:

Lunch, yeah.

Hucka D.:

King Karb minituarizes and seems to go inside. In the Baker Bloch in England series, which *does* contain a picture of Hackpen Hill’s white horse, he is seen heading toward the horse as well, eventually to show up in Rockley *behind* the horse, and where the other white horse from the present collage use to exist. The box held by the third hand is the Pain Box of the Bene Gesserit. The top of the Bene Gesserit’s head is found in the distance, beyond Hackpen Hill or behind it. This is much like Marge’s head — or it becomes like another beech copse on this ridge[ like Marge, Selma and Patty before it]. So the witch is both in front and behind the hill at once. Like I said, the King, which is the same as King Tull of earlier in the collage sweep, seems to head within the box. He is, in this way, the hand that incurs the pain. What is the relationship between the Karb or the King in this collage and the one from the Baker Bloch in England series? Let’s put up a picture to help the contrast.

bb:

On it…

… well, we have a (flying) saucer in the earlier, simpler collage, and then we have a saucer *implied* in the new Hackpen Hill collage through Saucer Alabama and the Forest Home circle.

Hucka D.:

Saucer Alabama being on the edge of this circle, along with Fake Herbert. So there’s the Herbert (Frank Herbert) influence coming in as well. Fake Herbert and Saucer define the circumference of the Forest Home, Alabama circle, with Forest Home at its center. And this is the same or symbolized by the circle with the dot in the center, also in the center of Latona 05. The crop circle it is joined to now is also from Rockley, and will even show up once more in the Gilatona-Lis series (Lis 06) in an unexpected way. Rockley has a large gravity, it seems.

bb:

I had an epiphany about those two hands last night, Hucka D. Trying to think…

Hucka D.:

This is the 2 Hermans of Winesap[ Sminesap]. These are the 2 columns in front of the Temple of Solomon.

bb:

I think that’s it. In Lis 09, the final collage of Gilatona-Lis and just completed, we have two pillars guarding the brass plaque in the Alton Priors church. It all aims toward that plaque as it turned out.

Hucka D.:

Yes. That is TILE.

bb:

But back to Latona 05… (pause)

Hucka D.:

It could be that Latona 05 is simply too difficult or obscure to fully analyze at this point, baker b. We have the green triangle from the Gila series — Gila 06 (“Monsters”), we have the 3 circles carried over from Latona 04, the previous collage. We have hands.

bb:

What of the overlap of Pine Apple, Alabama streets and Winesap streets in the lower left corner?

Hucka D.:

We simply can’t know.

bb:

Well, I suppose we should move to Latona 06. Maybe we’ll have more success there, Hucka D. Latona 06 is maybe the smallest physical collage of the 32 in the Gilatona-Lis series, or at least that’s how it played out in the Power Tower Gowlery. This is also the only one with no Wiltshire elements, or in any way “set” in Wiltshire. Instead we are back in the US of A, our Amereca.

Hucka D.:

*Your* Amereca. You made the choice to cross the ocean, foolish you (smiles).

bb:

I guess I had to grow with Amereca as Amereca grew beyond Uerope and Britain.

Hucka D.:

Kind of. You had to follow others as well, to be fair to you and also Edna. You had to go with the karma. Where has it taken you? Arkansas? I would say Arkansas, but I say Arkansas for a lot of things.

bb:

Back to Latona 06, we have President Rutherford B. Hayes, who has mysteriously changed into Non-President R. “Booger” Hayes, but more on that in a moment. The setting at the bottom is Hayes Center, Nebraska, county seat for the only county of the US named for President Hayes in this reality. Then we have Mouse Island, Ohio at the top, which President Hayes owned in its entirety and used it as a summer getaway. His grandson use to drive darts into it.

Hucka D.:

Yes.

bb:

D is for Dart, I suppose.

Hucka D.:

Right.

bb:

Let’s put up a picture of Latona 06 before going further…

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… so Hayes here is holding a corndog, a smoking corndog. His Mouse Island is also, probably not coincidentally, shaped like a corndog. We have theorized terraforming for the island, like I can accomplish in Second Life even on my rental land now.

Hucka D.:

Same.

bb:

And I think you want to remind me this is where the fictional text grew strong in the blog — surrounding this collage and the elements therein. Hayes surfaced in the blog and became rather 3d, interacting with both of us. We were on Mouse Island with him.

Hucka D.:

He was trying to explain to us why he was the first US president who was not president. He was attempting to talk to us about the Big Cabin folder that has been mysteriously removed from his archive in [fill in blank]. It was suppose to be about the construction of a chimney for his Mouse Island cottage, the very same chimney seen in ruins in the collage[ Latona 06]. But in reality it was much more. Project Big Chimney is about [Clyde].

bb:

Clyde, Ohio.

Hucka D.:

And the 2 people who came from there, both fathers and both Wilson and Wheeler in one. This is Wheeler-Wilson. Or Wilson-Wheeler. The dates are 1860 through 1900 approximately. 2 score. This is what Hayes was interested in. Singing Hermans were within[ the folder].

bb:

If I could find that folder…

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bb:

Hayes unleashed the power of the Triumvirate, which is the pineal gland or the 3rd eye. He did this to unleashed Amereca himself. The Pope Project is chaining. Like The Devil card of The Tarot.

Hucka D.:

Yes.

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bb:

And opposed or in contrast to this, we have The Lovers, card 6 of the Tarot.

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Hucka D.:

That is what Booger wanted. For Amereca to love himself. To be able to look himself in the mirror and say “I’m okay. I’m better than okay. I’m perfect as I am. Now let’s change perfection into higher perfection.”. Because you can’t change the instant of the present, as you recognize it. But in the recognition or after the instant, change can start to happen. So Booger created an alternate Amereca, which is actually the Amereca we’re talking about. He centered it around Arkansas, but he played on the Arkansas-Missouri tension. He did this because he loved America. Can you go back in time and find out when Hayes first contacted Norris?

bb:

I would assume it would be about 1880. Probably just after he bought Mouse Island. Probably around the same time he went to Yreka. He began to see things both forwards and backwards at once. He talked to Norris about this.

Hucka D.:

But slyly at first. He told Norris about the coming of Anderson. And when did Anderson arrive?

bb:

Let me check. (pause to check) Looks like 1884, or when he was about 8 years old.

Hucka D.:

Anderson was a concoction. He never really existed. Or he existed in two places at once.

bb:

It was all about the book — Winesap.

Hucka D.:

Yes. The book made the man in this case. Not the other way around. It was unique. But it will be followed by more unique books later on. This is just a start. But it’s a big start — Big Chimney start.

bb:

Paul was the father of Leto, who went beyond him. Leto took a path the father didn’t choose. It made him half human and half worm, obviously a difficult difficult choice to make.

Hucka D.:

You only need to worry about Winesap in this life, yes. But when you meet the one who will go beyond you, you will know. You will be the father and he the son.

bb:

I am the son.

Hucka D.:

Yes, the son and also the father.

bb:

Back to Hayes… so he knew of this book and how the book made the man and not the other way around.

Hucka D.:

He was given the book, yes. Around 1880. At Mouse Island. He was told to say the project involved building a big and complicated chimney to his getaway there. Later his grandson drove darts into the island.

bb:

If this is coded into Ozmo, then Ozmo is obviously Mouse Island but also the corndog leading to Rooster.

Hucka D.:

Yes Hayes began to know about Rooster and R110.

bb:

Let’s get back to Latona 06, Hucka D. So Hayes is there on Mouse Island, in front of his Big Chimney which was actually a secret project concerning Clyde, Ohio in his home county, and near Mouse Island as well.

Hucka D.:

You can get to it pretty easily from either Fremond or Clyde, yeah.

bb:

And this has something to do with my “High Octave Story” from the ’80s.

Hucka D.:

Obviously.

bb:

Maybe I should just cut and paste that whole story into this blog.

Hucka D.:

An option.

bb:

We better start to wrap this up. So Hayes is there in front of his chimney which is also the secret project. And he’s holding a corndog, which is about Rooster and Hays County, Texas. And we know this because Hayes County, Nebraska is represented at the bottom of the collage in Hayes Center, its county seat. And, let’s see, the middle of the collage is also about Rooster — Rooster Teeth based in Hays County, Texas, most famous for the production of the Red and Blue series. So we have the logo for the show in the collage directly, or part of it. This resonates with the red spacesuit of Dr. Who in the previous 3 collages. But instead the spacesuit is blue, but blue and red are the same through the logo, or right and left of the same thing. Big Chimney obscures red… (pause) Hucka D.? And then we have a picture of Mouse Island from the air just below the blue spaceman. Then an actual picture of the “rooster teeth” projecting from the corndog. Rooster has something to say here. I think Hucka D. has flown the coupe. So in the center of this collage is also TILE, or the circle of TILE and its 4 colors, as displayed in the special version of that game/philosophy/religion. The yellow corndog, which should be slathered with mustard for increased tastiness, comes first, followed by the blue helmeted entity, then gree Mouse Island (Ozmo the Mouse is also green) and then finally the red spaceman mainly covered up by the second “big chimney” of the collage. So this is the first clear indication of TILE in Gilatona-Lis, don’t you think Hucka D.? (pause) Still gone. Rooster seems to want to talk about TILE.

(continued in Latona Interpretations/Associations 05)

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Latona Interpretations/Associations 03

(continued from Latona Interpretations/Associations 02)

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So to the left — that would be Latona 03 I suppose…

Hucka D.:

Either way. Wilson and Wheeler again.

bb (continuing):

… we have Dr. Who or the equivalent showing off his pet *lion* to the 2 walking their “mere” dogs. Like, “oh those look ferocious but look what *I* have to walk every day.” Imagine cleaning up after it, Hucka D.

Hucka D.:

Then Baker Bloch sits in the corner, unchained as it were but oblivious to the world happening behind his back. He is chained in a different way. Opposed to this we have Frank Zapple not merely staring at the camera but glaring at it, projected from a 4th dimension again (like The Diamond of Methril, Hucka D. seems to be saying here). This is from his Lumpy Gravy period. You have or had been dealing with Zapple in maps… UmapS… and seeing the line or chain of Dr. Who as saving one from the grave; pulling one up from Idaho to Montana and safety. Billfork land, but also Frank’s Moving Mtn. Ooops, can I say that? I just did. So this is about Zapple and his music and his agreement within Billfork a bit. Zapple has already appeared in Gila 08, with Ingor Ratts there. Don’t you think Ingor relates to Ironmonger? Same letters used basically.

bb:

Proba-bly Hucka D. The Bee.

Hucka D.:

I know… I’m chatty this morning. Very excited that you’ve finished the whole f—ing series so soon. Gilatona-Lis. You must analyze differences between it and the Art 10×10 preceeding it. Obviously you have no animations in this one — oh except for the one (Gila 06 and Gila 10) and instead diptychs and even a triptych. In fact, this (Latona 03 04) is the first diptych/triptych of Gilatona-Lis, and the only one that doesn’t use Brian Marshall Roberts’ photos.

bb: (correcting)

That’s Brian Marshall… I mean Brian Robert Marshall.

Hucka D.:

Instead we have more GoogleEarth Streetview based photos on both the right and the left. This is from Avebury of course, as stated. So back to Latona 03. We have Dr. Who with his pet dragon, who is on a chain like the dogs around him but ironically already inside a closure — a courtyard — so no chain really needed. We have Baker Bloch turning his back on the events of the day in his corner… oblivious. We have Zapple staring and glaring directly at the camera, projecting toward it. This is “saved from grave”. This is why he decided to participate in the Sunklands Initiative and the Billfork Agreement. Dragon contained. Red Dragon.

bb:

The chain is also the 112 latitude line. Sorry to interrupt your flow.

Hucka D. (continuing):

The chain is also the 112 *longitude* line. Saved from grave. Lumpy Gravy. Pulled up. In Latona 02 just interpreted, we had Dr. Who being lifted up by this same line, out and away from the dewpond that also represents death or grave. He exits in the internal workings of Master Shake, invisible in part. Red Lion may be death, then.

bb:

Maybe we better move to Latona 04. Oh, and we have the little red figure walking through the 2 Avebury stones in the road to the far left, beyond Dr. Who and his dragon.

Hucka D.:

Free again; able to walk through the rocks unharmed. Passage complete. Bold walk as well. Strutting.

bb:

Diminutive compared to Dr. Who and especially Baker Bloch to the right.

Hucka D.;

So you requested we move to Latona 04. We have Dr. Who again, but he has been absorbed into a black hole. Actually he has fallen into a pit on his own volition. This is the Satan Pit. The black hole is formed between the very same 2 Avebury rocks we have been discussing. The red figure in the two collages between the two rocks is the same, trapped in time. Dr. Who falling into a black hole pit is the dot in the middle of a circle, associating him with Forest Home and the 2 Cardinal Roads the Forest Home circle of Alabama highlights. You have the beginning of one Cardinal Road highlighted in this circle, and then the end of a completely different Cardinal Road highlighted in another place on this circle. Beginning and end again, alpha and omega. Uroborous in effect. We do not know where time starts or stops. (pause to catch breath)

bb:

Thanks, Hucka D. Rapid fire. And Baker Bloch or the equivalent *is* chained in this one, near the other Baker Bloch also next to the central Red Lion pub of Latona 03 04.

Hucka D.:

Doesn’t matter if he is chained or unchained. He would be the same either way. Kind of like you are chained by an 8 to 5 job now but it wouldn’t matter if you were retired already and free. Not now anyway. Best you have work.

bb:

Thanks. Now the red haired woman’s hair just touches the circle surrounding Dr. Who falling into a black hole slash pit. She is obviously Cardinal, then.

Hucka D.:

Yes. Like [the 4] directions.

bb:

And this is who we’ve already called Amy Pond.

Hucka D.:

In a manner. She reappears with the crowd, disguised as a Red Lion or perhaps at least attempting to blend in with the Red Lion pub crowd. But she sees the black hole forming above the doorway, growing larger. The hand first draws the circle crudely, then it advances toward the door, becoming more circular, and then find fruition or centering between the 2 Avebury stones, forming that black hole that the red Dr. Who falls into, then. Is falling into this black hole a good thing or a bad thing? It’s both, actually. This is all about paradox and contrast.

bb:

Then a final piece is Ozmo playing a song to the children of Sound of Music. They like the sound of his music. This is an element directly borrowed from the Wheeler-Jasper series of the Art 10×10, and maybe the only thing borrowed in Gilatona-Lis from that whole 100 collage effort. It appears on Jasper 04. Here’s the appropriate link from the Britain Britain Britain site.

Hucka D.:

It’s 2051. Ozmo is free to play at the Red Lion pub in Avebury, unchained from copyright constrictions. The synchronicities are free. Have you protected them? Have you prepared a proper time capsule? Let’s hope so. Else they are *true* carcasses. Dead.

bb:

For the carrcasses to live, then Ozmo must live through time and space as well. Can’t have one without the other.

Hucka D.:

No, true. This is why Hayes shows up soon. Non-president R. “Booger” Hayes.

bb:

So let me draw back again for Latona 03 04. I really like this collage. The weakness is the middle line between the two halves is not quite symmetrical, which I couldn’t accomplish just using Streetview. I had to return to Brian R. Marshall’s photos to do this, but in a peculiar way.

Hucka D.:

The hand drawing the crude circle (to the right) is like the animator’s hand that drew the circle that is the basis of Ozmo to the left. You can have too crude a circle and too perfect a circle. The middle ground is just right, and that’s the circle on the Red Lion pub, above the door. Red haired lion stares directly at it, knowing this or realizing this. She hears the teacher, then. The people at the Red Lion pub are at a lecture but they don’t know it. Instead they stare toward to camera perched atop a car whizzing by. It is GoogleEarth. They are posing for *this* collage.

bb:

Dr. Who is staring directly at the camera as well, even as he is being absorbed into the black hole pit.

Hucka D.:

He is being absorbed *into* the camera. Like Red 7.

bb:

Oh and the fox in the courtyard… from Jasper 04 as well. It seems to reinforce the red hair of the lion/woman. The red fox is off its leash, unlike the red dragon of the twinned panel.

Hucka D.:

When you let go of the leash, you fall into a black hole. We better leave it at that and move to Latona 05…

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… here we have the Hackpen Hill white horse in the background, and yet another white horse in the foreground. We have the return of the circle centered by a dot like thing, like in Latona 04. This would be more in the foreground. But accompanying it this time are two more circles, arranged as a triangle. But in Latona 04 we also really have 3 circles, although in a line there. So it’s kind of the same thing. The circles have also become crop circles, and a specific one from Rockley already seen in the Gila series (Gila 06: “Monsters”). There it was chained as well, or harboured within a shelter, but with a door open. The munching monsters that are circles with “mouths” are about to be let loose there. What are they doing here? Oh, and the second white horse positioned just to the right of them here is also from Rockley — it is the lost Rockly white horse, only seen on black and white photos now. Or [only] one black and white photo, perhaps.

bb:

Cool. Let me look at this collage again… (pause) Obviously another thing that sticks out are the two hands, one white and one black. The white hand seems to be almost pinned down, as it were, by the 3 circles that are also the same as the Rockley crop circle, with the central (green) triangle. Again, this is a lot about the Forest Home, Alabama circle and the 2 Cardinal Roads. The roads below the circle come from Pine Apple, Alabama, which is where the main road from Saucer, Alabama (on the edge of the Forest Home circle) leads to… it’s called the Pine Apple Highway because of that. A map of Winesburg, Ohio is situated to its left… obviously there should be an association made, then, between the real Pine Apple, Alabama and the fictional Winesburg… the roads merge. This is a pretty complicated collage, Hucka D. (!)

Hucka D.:

Yes. And one that needs to be interpreted. You haven’t explained that the main black and white photo dominating the bottom part of the collage comes from Manitoba, and is one of the…

bb:

Let me help. According to this blog post, it is the aerial view of the 1st Igniting The Fire Gathering at Manito Ahbee in the Whiteshell provincial pARK. Important that a Native American named Don Cardinal presided over the lighting.

Hucka D.:

Let *me* help. You never got back to that Port Gibson-Cardinal explanation you promised [at the bottom of that post].

bb:

Well, I never got around to explaining the Bill Mountain aliens either, Hucka D.

Hucka D.:

That’s because you don’t know what they are.

bb:

I think a Forest Home is involved. That’s what I got out of the Forest Home circle in Alabama with Forest Home in the center and Saucer and Fake Herbert defining the circumference, which also indicates the two Cardinal Roads and their beginnings and endings respectively.

Hucka D.:

Respectively?

bb:

Maybe…

Hucka D.:

Maybe you should study up on the rock formations of (long pause)

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bb:

Of what? You mean the ones in Manito…?

Hucka D.:

…ba, yeah. The things that…

bb:

… ties it all together.

Hucka D.;

Of course.

TOGETHER:

Tie Creek.

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(continued in Latona Interpretations/Associations 04)

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… I just need to relax tonight, Hucka D. Will continue the Latona analysis tomorrow, and perhaps finish it on Friday. Then it’s onto a Lis interpretation, which may now be complete as well. Probably is. (pause) Hucka?

Anyway, I must be pretty tired due to finishing the Lis series so quickly. 10 collages in a week! It seems to be the most polished of the 3 new series (Gila, Latona, Lis). I’m also working in GoogleEarth to create a map of the locations seen in the collages. I’ll talk about that soon. (another pause)

Woods are next! Daylight Savings Time kicks in on Sunday, and I’ll have spare daylight after work to explore. Norris reexamination might be first, since it is closer to home (?) But definitely Thrill (and Methril). And I suppose Bill Mountain again. (pause)

Another carrcass is always on the docket. Probably can wait until the summer, however — just finished Carrcass-8, a small but definitely synchy little bugger. Makes a nice companion to the much more complex Carrcass-7 from last summer, my most complex carrcass since 2007.

32 collages since Jan. 15… Probably will polish up a couple of the collages in the next several days as well. All should be finished by March 15 at the latest, and maybe as early as the first of next week. Will probably do a little pub for the resulting virtual gallery (Power Tower Gowlery). Of course few people will see it from an inworld perspective.

Avebury is a center for all 3 series, Gila, Latona, Lis. The only place where the locations of all 3 overlap. Gila focuses on Marlborough and locations between it and Hackpen Hill to the north. Lis focuses on Devices and then moves into the Alton Barnes area about 6 miles to the east. Latona, also the middle series between bookends Gila (first) and Lis (last), deals primarily with locations between those of Gila to the east/northeast and Lis to the west/southwest. There’s also a handful of collages that aren’t set in Wilshire, but the only one to my knowledge of the 32 of the 3 series that really has nothing at all to do with this English county on the surface is Latona 06, which is also maybe the smallest collage overall. Instead all those locations come from the US (Hayes Center, Nebraska; Mouse Island, Ohio). This is led into by the use of a Canada/Manitoba locations for Lis 05 (coupled with Hackpen Hill, once more). But then with Lis 07 I’m right back in England and Wiltshire and stay there for the remainder of Latona and also all the way through Lis.

Hucka D.:

That’s the point you started writing actual fiction as well, baker b. Good night to you. Sorry I was late. I’ve had a bad case of gingervitis I’ve been trying to get over. Did the bees in your dream sting you good? I wanted you to wake up.

bb:

Cool Hucka D. Nice to see you as well. There was a character we watched tonight that reminded me of you — Milky Joe.

Hucka D.:

He’s an ass. Oh, I hear the Luxury Comedy Show figured into your Lis series heavily. Good for you! You spotted TILE within and you worked with it. Great.

bb:

Thanks Hucka D. The trail was pretty easy to follow once found. Lis came pretty easy overall.

Hucka D.:

Do you think there could be *another* collage serise on top of it?

bb:

Doubtful Hucka D. I’ve already done more than I ever have in one single stretch. Plus it all seems to tie up neatly. Avebury is the only place where all 3 series overlap, and that’s the center of crop circle activity as well. And the last Avebury based collage shows crop circles.

Hucka D.:

In May, then, you will return to Wiltshire for more fun. Possibly in April. And then of course in June you go for real. You can’t back out now… you know that. I’ll be there to help you. Me and all the crew.

bb:

Thanks (pause) So I’ll continue the Latona interpretations tomorrow and then move into Lis. Should be lots of fun.

Hucka D.:

It will be. Of course I’ll be there as well. I also want to have fun!

bb:

*We’ll* have fun, then.

Hucka D.:

Yes. You better rest up.

bb:

Thanks.

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